Jasmine and Portia are taking a week off.

To hold you over, we're offering you the audio from an Instagram Live between Portia and Krispin Mayfield, the host of another Area Code Podcast, Attached the the Invisible.

In his podcast, Krispin and his Co-host, Amy Simmons explore the intersection of the science of attachment and theology, and ask why we feel disconnected from God, and how to cultivate security and safety. This might be a good week to check it out!

In this discussion, you'll find out whether or not Portia won her political campaign and how to cope with election week.

See you next week!