Robert Greene is the bestselling author of The 48 Laws of Power, The Laws of Human Nature, and several other classics read by millions of people around the world. He’s spent the last seven years writing a book about the sublime. After suffering a stroke that made typing difficult, he’s had to write this book by hand.

In this conversation we talk about why our minds are shrinking to the size of phones despite the sublimity around us, the mystery of consciousness, his views on AI, how to reclaim a sense of awe in modern life, and lots more.