This bonus episode: you heard a couple of media clips of Werner Stump, BC rancher and current President of BC Cattlemans, in the episode with George Abbott released yesterday. In this bonus episode, Werner joins me to discuss his concerns about aspects of BC's approach to reconciliation and the potential impact to decisions like Cowichan. In our conversation he references the Provincial Agreement on Haida Aboriginal Title.

Then: a white landowner in Haida Gwaii shares her perspective about owning private title in the context of said agreement.