In this episode of the Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moyer talk about one of the most influential and overlooked roles in any organization: the middle manager.

Well, eventually they talk about this. Prior to that, they took a couple of off-ramps to discuss public speaking and reading books. When they return to their main topic, Kristen and Sylvia have a lively discussion about influence, accountability, and why the real engine of any organization often sits right in the middle.