In this episode, Chris welcomes Ryan McGowan, a seasoned leader in the cybersecurity space. The conversation begins with Chris expressing his admiration for Ryan's career and leadership style. Ryan shares insights into how he stumbled into the cybersecurity field and emphasizes the importance of building and guiding teams. He reflects on his experiences, the challenges he faced, and the lessons learned throughout his 20-year career in security.

As the discussion progresses, Ryan delves into his approach to leadership, emphasizing the significance of humility and being a good teammate. He shares anecdotes from his past, including how he learned from both positive and negative leadership examples. The conversation also touches on the importance of continuous learning, with Ryan discussing his reading habits and the books that have influenced him. The episode concludes with Chris and Ryan discussing the value of sharing knowledge and experiences to inspire others, particularly younger individuals seeking guidance in their careers.