In this episode, Ben and Spencer delve into the story of Nicodemus and his encounter with Jesus, exploring themes of spiritual rebirth, the significance of light and darkness, and the transformative power of faith.

They discuss the importance of understanding Jesus' teachings in the context of the Torah and the prophetic writings, particularly Ezekiel.

The conversation emphasizes the necessity of being 'born again' to truly comprehend the kingdom of God and the role of believers in bringing light to the world.