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"But for a human who is into the spiritual path is definitely possible given that he is having intensified desire not to have desires. So it is interesting. All right. So I am saying desire not to have desires. So so what I mean by the desire is the highest level of desire that you want to be becoming one with divinity. That is the highest level of desire. So that desire can't be compared with the worldly desires that we all always aspire and live with that."