Saffron Meade, founder of branding agency Saffron & Co. Creative, joins me to talk about her colourful ride experiencing "bosses", and then becoming "boss" herself. 

We unpick some lessons along the way including:

• How overwork cultures are often linked to fear
• How important getting "stability" right is for the experience of your workers, including:
  • the emotional stability and predictability of leaders
  • the basics, including pay and legal compliance
• How we use "stories" to approach conflict through a organisational "we", rather than right/wrong perspectives that is "owned" by you
• Understanding the drives and motivations of your people, so that you can create an environment that meets their needs
• Getting around respect and "family" first, so that work is part of your worker's wider flourishing
• Not wanting minions: "What's the point of having a team if they can't contribute properly?"
• The link between employee voice and business stagnation

Thanks to Bensound for our jaunty intro and exit music, and to Fina Charleson for her production support.