In this episode of Life's Tough, Explorers are Tougher, host Richard Wiese sits down with marine archaeologist Brandon Clifford to explore the real history behind pirates and the legendary Whydah Gally. Far from Hollywood myths, Brandon explains how pirates emerged from war, economic hardship, and rebellion—and how the Whydah became the most important pirate shipwreck ever discovered.

Brandon shares the story of his father’s discovery of the Whydah off Cape Cod, the dangers of underwater archaeology, and the ethical responsibility of preserving history rather than profiting from it. From zero-visibility dives and coastal erosion to working amid great white sharks, the work demands discipline, reverence, and patience.

The conversation closes with reflections on legacy, fatherhood, and curiosity—how exploration shaped Brandon’s life and how he’s passing those values to his children. This episode is a powerful reminder that the greatest treasure isn’t gold, but the responsibility to protect our shared past.

This is Life's Tough, Explorers Are Tougher, with your host, Richard Weiss. Scratch the surface of an explorer and you'll find an adventure and a great story. This show is about their tales.

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