On today's show, Ronnie Martin from Substance Church in Ashland, Ohio is sitting down with Brandon Shields from Soma in Indianapolis, Indiana. They talk about how Brandon moved from South Florida to Indy, planted Soma as an outsider, about how he grew Soma into a multi-site church, and about how they became a church-planting church. Oh yeah, and they talk a bit about how you fight ego as a pastor and church planter.