In this episode, Clayton engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Joe Flanagan, the Director of Ingenious Probiotics. They explore the revolutionary concept of using probiotics not just for pet health, but also for improving indoor air quality and reducing reliance on harmful chemical cleaners. Joe shares his journey from air quality management to the pet industry, highlighting the importance of maintaining a healthy microbiome for both pets and humans. Their discussion delves into the misconceptions surrounding bacteria, the dangers of antibacterial products, and the environmental impact of chemical cleaners.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Joe highlights the importance of using probiotics to outcompete harmful bacteria rather than relying on chemical antibacterial products, which can leave behind resistant strains and disrupt the natural microbiome.

• The use of chemical cleaning products not only affects indoor air quality but also contributes to pollution in water systems, impacting wildlife and ecosystems. The conversation emphasizes the need for safer alternatives that are less harmful to the environment.

• There is a growing understanding of the significance of microbiomes in both humans and pets. A healthy balance of good bacteria is essential for overall health, and disruptions can lead to various health issues, including skin problems in pets.

• Joe discusses the rising concern of antimicrobial resistance due to the overuse of antibiotics and antibacterial products. It stresses the importance of using probiotics to help maintain a healthy microbiome and reduce reliance on antibiotics.

• The conversation encourages pet owners to consider the broader implications of their cleaning and care products, advocating for a holistic approach that prioritizes the health of pets and the environment, ultimately leading to better overall well-being for both.

BEST MOMENTS

"If we can use a probiotic instead of an antibiotic, we're helping with antimicrobial resistance."

"You can end up in this fuzzy logic, this counterintuitive situation where the more antibacterial chemical cleaning you do, the less hygienic the situation can be."

"Every piece of life on this planet has its origins in bacteria."

"The environment is kind of nice to have. It's like second or third on the biome scene because it's too abstract."

HOST BIO

Clayton Payne is an industry veteran of three decades of working in the pet industry. Brought up working in his parents' pet store, Clayton has seen the industry evolve over five different decades and has been on the cutting edge of the industry since the nineties. Building pet businesses from scratch, establishing multi-national distribution chains and having worked in every aspect of the industry, Clayton has a rare insight into the Pet Industry that is rivalled by few. 

Clayton has been the spearhead of many of the industry's changes and has introduced numerous new concepts to market with a trail of success behind him. He has worked in numerous countries within the pet industry, speaks four different languages and has established both import and export relationships on all continents (excluding Antarctica).

As well as being COO of one of the UKs fastest growing insect technology companies, Clayton is a Pet industry consultant who has consulted for many household brands and delivers sales training to pet trade professionals.
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