After the sudden extension of the COVID-19 #lockdown, Hannah and Shaf talk about their reactions to change. They discuss their good and bad habits (read: nail-biting, nose-picking and making the bed), the importance for businesses and individuals to pivot in changing times and the common creative trade-off between artistic integrity and commercial performance. They also touch on an age-old question: which was the better leading single: Katy's 'Roar' or Gaga's 'Applause'?