The hosts talk to Ryan Laukat about starting your own company, persistence, and art in the hobby. Ryan runs Red Raven games, publisher of Above and Below, Near and Far, and many others along with his wife. 

Ryan can be reached at @redravengames on twitter.

Hosts: Tony - Designer - @beardedroguegames Ian - Developer - @ianzangdesign Gil - Publisher - @gilhova "There It Is" by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/