Procedures. Rules. Systems. Nariman Gathers walks us through what it was like to be a budding systems designer as a neuro-atypical person. They delve into stories from collecting post-it-notes and gel pens for crafting as a kid to feeling crushed by the weight of expected-perfection in the post-college years. Now a lecturer at Stanford’s d.school (Stanford’s design institute) and design program manager at Plaid, Nari's reflection is full of laughs and fond realizations of how they designed their twisty path to happiness. In this episode, we talk about the ‘making’ moments, ‘breaking’ moments, and everything in between.