John Bolton, President Trump’s 3rd National Security Adviser, has made his exit. With change afoot (or maybe not) in the foreign policy apparatus, two of the most well-positioned voices on all things NSC—John Gans and Derek Chollet-- are at the Out of Order table to discuss what went wrong for Bolton, how the national security process has been broken under the Trump administration, and what could come next for a yet-to-be-named successor.