Andy lands his first contracted work as our prison system tries to get to grips with the cost of covid for staff and men inside counted in terms of mental, physical and emotional health and function. 
10 years on from his first contact with our criminal justice system Andy talks about 'stickability' and earning the right to be invited in to do the work. 
He gives an insight to his work during covid supporting prison governors online that kept him in the game and the governors sane at their most challenging time in role.
He also speaks about his first contacts post-Covid with the men he worked with pre-lockdown and lifts the lid on what life inside was really like.

These podcasts don't get made unless Tom Haigh of Sound Post Production www.tomhaigh.com and interviewer Tony Maguire www.boxkik.com decide to roll out of bed. Fortunately for me I still seem to be giving them reason to do so. Chapeau, gentlemen.