In this episode, Jack and Brian discuss the ongoing conflict with Iran, drawing parallels to the aftermath of World War One. They explore the importance of winning the peace, citing the botched Versailles Treaty as a cautionary tale. Jack shares his thoughts on President Trump's approach, questioning the effectiveness of charging tolls to Iran for using international waters. The conversation also touches on the role of leadership, comparing Trump's style to that of George H.W. Bush, and the need for a coalition of willing nations to address the situation.

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