Two decades ago, Brian McLaren, as a young pastor, realized the lively faith in Jesus that he was preaching didn't always perfectly line up with the perspectives of his very conservative church background. In a series of bestselling books, he then pioneered what he came to call "a new kind of Christianity" which drew both backlash and new friends who, for the first time, heard someone say what they were thinking. Val, Tom and Dave talk with him about what that's been like and what he's learned.