One of my oldest and dearest friends Briana Rae Bower joins me this week for an experiment and some conversation, and this one gets deep kids. We talk about her grandmother's frosting recipe and it's legitimacy, and then delve head first into middle schoolers, and childhood. You might want to grab some tissues. I'm really grateful for this conversation.

Ermine frosting recipe courtesy of Grandmother Margaret Bower via Debbie "Mommy" Bower.

Sour Cream Fudge Cake recipe from Baking Illustrated.