Justin and Stephen talk about dualism in conversations about race, and the particular difficulties of holding relationships with family in tension with the goals of justice. In the second half of their conversation with Jon Lundberg, they discuss what it means to be a bridge and how that involves both tension and love, as well as silence and speech. Jon shares his Minneapolis neighborhood’s experiences during the unrest after George Floyd’s murder. Justin and Stephen geek out at the end and discuss the practical contributions of intercultural theory and theology and the challenges involved in perceiving the world in multiple ways. More resources at profsinrooms.com To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • The Forbes Article Stephen mentioned about antiracism • A cautionary article about racist antiracism material • Social Constructivism and Christianity book

Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux). Editing Assistant for this episode: Linsey Zell