“These animals want their lives as much as we want ours.” In this special episode, Kathy is interviewed by her assistant and podcast producer, Clare O’Brien (https://casanctuary.org/about/meet-team-2/), to talk about the dairy and egg industries, about a special rooster named Paulie, and about Catskill Animal Sanctuary’s month-long Petunia’s Pledge (https://mailchi.mp/casanctuary/g3kzyuw3d5?fbclid=IwAR0cHoL8TrbR4vHcR3Q0CI0f8dj0u30lRsJmtElXgFP0KqSgWxqIp1LYdaw) program to encourage followers to go vegan for the month of October. Kathy talks about:* Her own journey from vegetarian to vegan* “Humane washing” (https://www.peta.org/blog/do-not-be-fooled-by-humane-washing/?v2=1)within the dairy and egg industry * The lives of dairy cows and egg-laying hens* The month-long Petunia’s Pledge challenge to encourage vegetarians (and the veg-curious!) to go vegan for the month of October* A special chicken named Paulie (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/celebrate-chickens-this-s_b_5767948)For more information on joining Petunia’s Pledge, or attending the workshop event at CAS, please visit the link here (https://casanctuary.org/event/petunias-pledge-vegetarian-to-vegan-workshop/). Connect with Kathy Stevens:* Facebook: Kathy Stevens (http://facebook.com/kathy.stevens.CAS), Catskill Animal Sanctuary (https://www.facebook.com/catskillanimalsanctuary)* Twitter: @CASanctuary (https://twitter.com/CASanctuary/)* Books: Where the Blind Horse Sings (https://casanctuary.org/shop/book-where-the-blind-horse-sings/)* Website: CASanctuary.org (https://casanctuary.org/)* Instagram: @catskill_animal_sanctuary (https://instagram.com/catskill_animal_sanctuary/)* YouTube: Catskill Animal Sanctuary (https://www.youtube.com/user/CASanctuary)