What do BANT, Brussels sprouts, and broken nurture streams have in common? According to Matt Levine of LeadScale, they’ve all gotten a bad rap—but the real problem isn’t the ingredients, it’s the recipe. In this lively episode recorded in Santa Cruz, Rick Currier and Matt dive into the evolving world of B2B lead gen: what’s broken, what’s working, and why transparency, data fluency, and a little back-to-basics thinking might just save us all. From fighting black-hole lead handoffs to spotting shady syndication, this is a must-listen for any marketer trying to make demand gen less murky—and more magical.