In this episode of Better Than Not, I had the privilege to talk with Pastor Matt Erickson, Senior Pastor at Eastbrook Church in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Matt shared his journey from a potential career in software engineering to becoming a pastor. He spoke about his spiritual awakening, the influence of literature and creativity in his faith, and some profound insights into the nature of control, creativity, and God's work in our lives. We explored the spiritual dimensions of life, the importance of hope, and the role of community and church in fostering long-term faith and connection. Be sure to pick up Matt’s new book "The Pastor As Gardener." To find out more about him, you can find him at www.eastbrook.org.