Everyone sees the public side of success — but few hear the story beneath the surface.

In this episode, Erick Clemens and CJ Epperson sit down with Derek Baker to uncover the lessons behind the life, the leadership, and the faith that shaped him.

From honest struggles to surprising victories, Derek opens up about what it means to trust God in real life — not just in theory.

🎧 Tune in now wherever you get your podcasts.

Because sometimes, the most powerful truths are the ones you can’t see on the surface.