Our culture often equates leadership with tall, confident men. But history and scripture show us that true leadership comes from those willing to listen, collaborate, and empower others," says guest Tod Bolsinger in this episode. Join hosts Marcus Goodyear and Camille Hall-Ortega as they explore with Bolsinger the intricate process of transformation. Drawing from his books Canoeing the Mountains and Invest in Transformation, Tod shares how trust fuels change, why leadership is different from management, and how to navigate the pain of growth. What does it look like to lead with humility and courage? How can we embrace uncertainty, foster collaboration, and inspire transformation in our communities? 

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Investigate materials referenced in this podcast: 

Canoeing the Mountains by Tod Bolsinger 

Invest in Transformation by Tod Bolsinger 

Practicing Change series by Tod Bolsinger 

The Mission Always Wins by Tod Bolsinger 

The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt
Leadership on the Line by Ronald Heifetz and Marty Linsky 

The Pool of Bethesda (John 5:1–15) 

Jesus’s entry into Jerusalem on a donkey (Matthew 21:1–11) 

The Lord’s Prayer (Matthew 6:10) 

Eyes on the Lord (2 Chronicles 20:12) 

Production Team: 

• Written and produced by Camille Hall-Ortega, Rob Stennett, and Marcus Goodyear 
• Edited by Rob Stennett and Kim Stone 
• Executive Producers: Patton Dodd and David Rogers 
• Funded by the H. E. Butt Foundation 

Special thanks to our guest Todd Bolsinger, Founder of AE Sloan Leadership, Inc.; author of Canoeing the Mountains, Invest in Transformation, and the Practicing Change series.