Who better to debate autonomous vehicles with Alex Roy than Dr. Mark Rosekind, former head of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) and Fatigue Countermeasures at NASA. Now he’s the Chief Safety Innovation Officer at Zoox, and still one of the most opinionated and colorful characters in American transportation. Hear how he revolutionized sleep for astronauts and investigated devastating accidents, plus why he’s now a big proponent for autonomous vehicles in cities.

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