"You can't make people learn. You can make them do tricks."

That line from Katja Schipperheijn cuts to the heart of what's broken in how most organizations think about learning. As a globally recognised learning strategist, and Co-Founder at The Learning Mindset Organization, Katja has spent years advising C-level leaders on why capability building requires more than technology, content, or another AI project.

This conversation centers on the ideas behind The Learning Mindset and the new 2026 edition of Learning Ecosystems. Katja shares why The Learning Mindset is rooted in the deeply human side of learning, from imposter syndrome and anxiety to neuroscience, labels, and the need to help people feel capable again. She also explains how Learning Ecosystems has evolved into a more global, holistic view of cognitive learning architecture, where culture, technology, data, and human behavior all shape whether learning can truly take root.

Her view is both human and strategic. Learning should not be something people are forced into or measured through outdated frameworks. It should be designed like a garden, built with care, rooted in trust, and eventually strong enough to grow on its own.

Some curious takeaways:

• Lead with imagination and consilience, not just technical skills
• You cannot mandate learning, behaviour change needs a different approach
• Trust and a lack of human wisdom pose a greater obstacle to the adoption of AI than the technology itself
• AI amplifies imposter syndrome and undermines psychological safety. 

Episode highlights:

(00:00) Welcome to Harald’s Curious Corner

(01:09) Why human skills matter more than tech skills

(02:12) From learning ecosystems to a learning mindset

(07:41) Why organisations approach AI with the wrong mindset

(13:33) Trust and imposter syndrome blocking AI progress

(18:09) AI regulation and the EU Act divide

(21:49) Why imagination and consilience are the future competencies

(17:14) Debunking neuroscience myths in learning

(23:33) Lean learning and why social learning is being wasted

(27:21) Breaking down silos for holistic capability building

(33:52) Measuring performance beyond Kirkpatrick

(37:22) Buy, build, borrow, bot approach to capability

(40:08) Ethical risks of AI and losing practical wisdom

(41:53) Why corporate structures block interdisciplinary learning

(43:25) The Learning Mindset and Learning Ecosystems

Connect with the guest:

Katja Schipperheijn on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katjaschipperheijn/
Explore Katja’s website: https://katjaschipperheijn.com/ 

Explore The Learning Mindset Organization: https://thelearningmindset.org/
Explore Katja’s book Learning Ecosystems, 2026 Edition: https://www.koganpage.com/hr-learning-development/learning-ecosystems-9781398629899
Explore Katja’s book The Learning Mindset: https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Mindset-Combining-Competencies-Technology/dp/1398617342 

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