In this episode of ChurchTalks, Pedro sits down with Mike and Liz Webber, pastors of Church GC, for an honest, joy-filled conversation about building people, trusting God, and leading from rest.Mike and Liz share how their years in ministry have reshaped their definition of growth. It’s not about building big churches but about building big people. True disciples grounded in the Word, steadfast in prayer, and confident in who they are in Christ.They talk about the tension of leading in a city full of opportunity yet remaining faithful to the simple things... prayer, family, and presence. Their story is marked by laughter, humility, and a deep conviction that the Gospel still changes lives when we give it room to breathe.Throughout the conversation, they remind us that strength in ministry doesn’t come from striving but from surrender. That the health of a church is measured not by how many attend on Sunday but by how deeply its people walk with Jesus on Monday.It’s a conversation full of grace, wisdom, and warmth, a reminder that the Church grows tallest when its roots go deep.