Brian talks with Pamela Capalad, a CFP, Accredited Financial Counselor (AFC), and the founder of Brunch & Budget. Through Brunch & Budget, Pam helps people who feel ashamed or embarrassed about money have a safe and friendly place to talk about it and make real financial progress. Pam shares why it's important to tackle both the technical and emotional sides of money and why running a business mostly sucks.