What if fixing cybersecurity wasn’t about more tools, but about unlocking human potential? 

In this episode, Ron Eddings welcomes back David Shipley, CEO and Field CSO of Beauceron Security, for a conversation on the real force behind security resilience: people. Together they expose the failure of "reactive" cybersecurity strategies, drawing parallels with preventative healthcare — and explain why culture, psychological safety, and behavior change are the true secret weapons. 

00:00 - Introduction

01:36 - The true meaning of "people in cyber"

03:13 - Cybersecurity’s flawed healthcare analogy

07:31 - Nutrition for cyber: proactive strategies

10:00 - MSPs: why selling tools isn’t enough

16:22 - Measuring culture, not just clicks

19:12 - Why people really click phishing emails

23:59 - Building psychological safety in security

30:30 - Celebrating human wins in security

34:00 - The future: empathy, transparency, trust

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