In this episode of The Make Podcast, Trevor DeVage sits down with a ministry leader John Cassetto to discuss the journey of faith, ministry, and the powerful work of God in diverse cultural settings. From small-town Midwest churches to the mission field of New England, to leading worship and global ministry at Saddleback Church in California, John shares insights into church growth, cultural impact, and the 'why' behind building multi-site campuses. They also explore the challenges and blessings of fostering authentic discipleship in both post-Christian and highly churched contexts.