Ross Hunter joined Microsoft in 1983 and was one of the company's first program managers. He spent 17 years at the company before getting involved in the public sector. He became a representative for the Washington State Legislature and now is the secretary of the Department of Children, Youth, and Families. In this episode of our Beyond the Blue Badge podcast, host Paul Shoemaker talks with Ross about the early days of Microsoft, transitioning to the public sector, and the important work he's doing now to foster early upstream change for children and families across Washington state.