If that title doesn't grab you, I don't know what will!  Just kidding.  It's a terrible title, but one that says something about what we get into in this podcast.

My guest is Rev. Donna Claycomb Sokol, pastor of Mount Vernon Place United Methodist Church in Washington, DC.  This is a follow-up conversation after we spoke a couple of months ago.  Donna is a transformational leader in the United Methodist Church, and it seemed appropriate to check in during this time of remarkable transformation.

You won't want to miss this conversation.  Donna's candor will be a blessing to you.