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When was the last time you had a conversation that made you think deeper than you planned to?

In this episode, I sit down with my frat brother, Saif Madar — a man I’ve known for over two decades. Same yard. Different eras. Real brotherhood.

Saif was born in Guyana and raised in the Bronx. Engineer by training. MBA in finance. A numbers guy. Analytical. Measured. Strategic.

And if you ask him, he’ll tell you he’s not the type to sit around opening up or getting lost in deep reflection.

But here’s the thing — many of us raised in households where strength was non-negotiable weren’t taught to process out loud. We were taught to handle it. To perform. To push through. To keep emotion tight and responsibility high.

In many of our communities, vulnerability wasn’t modeled, so it wasn’t the first language we learned. Carrying it without complaint was the expectation. Reflection wasn’t always encouraged. Providing was. Producing was. Protecting was.

So slowing down to reflect? To unpack? To say what’s really going on inside?

That’s something most of us learn later — if we learn it at all.

What makes this conversation different is the space. The trust. The shared fraternal bond that allows two men — raised in different homes but shaped by parallel expectations, similar pressures expressed through slightly different cultural tones — to slow down and speak more openly than we were taught to growing up.

And he did.

This episode moves through identity, responsibility, growth, brotherhood, leadership, and fatherhood — with humor, honesty, and moments that even caught him off guard.

There’s laughter.
There’s reflection.
There’s proof that when trust is present, depth isn’t forced — it shows up on its own. And for men who’ve spent much of their lives carrying responsibility quietly, that kind of space is rare.

If you’ve ever been taught to “just handle it”…
If you’ve ever carried quiet pressure without calling it pressure…
If you’ve ever wondered what it looks like when strong men talk differently…

Tap in.

This one’s layered.

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