We talk with Debra Digiovanni about a lot of TV and then about sad songs and specifically Tired Enough by Brave Bird, Don't Want Half by Paper Bird, and Soil Soil by Tegan & Sara

Listen to our playlist of songs we talked about here:

open.spotify.com/playlist/3FgeoMO…OPTVSx0bP3MEihaw

(subscribe as it grows each episode)

Or on apple music:

music.apple.com/ca/playlist/xbumm…lpjidsT6CRY-0Zmog