This episode of the Green Flame is an interview with Kim Hill, a permaculture design teacher based on the South East coast of New South Wales, and Joanna Pinkiewicz, a women's rights activist and environmental activist, based in Tasmania. We discuss the Australian bush fires, the role of fire in the landscape, indigenous land management practices, land defense, grief rituals and nature connection, and the likelihood that corporations and developers with backing from the government will open up fire-affected land to development and mining. Two of DENNI's songs are included with permission: Trees and Wise Ones.

Joanna’s Links:

• https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/opinion/australia-fires-climate-change.html
• https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/controlled-burns-destroy-ecosystems-and-may-not-reduce-fire-risk/11774496
• https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/land/aboriginal-fire-management

Kim’s links:

• Naomi Wolf speaking about the Aus/NZ/US firefighting agreement and disaster capitalism the wake of the fires https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i6lsD8MyHCM
• Mutual Aid Disaster Relief, a network and resources for organising autonomous response to disasters mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/
• Kim's articles on the corporate influence on the climate movement https://medium.com/@kim.hill/unpacking-extinction-rebellion-part-i-net-zero-emissions-5a5eed68d9ce

DENNI's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/denni420/