We sit down with author extraordinaire and writing teacher James Scott Bell to talk about the difference between good writing advice and great writing advice.

We dig into why even nonfiction writers need the tools of fiction, the value of solid craft books (from the king of craft books himself!), and how JSB challenges the myth that fiction can’t be taught. He also shares his shift from traditional to indie publishing and the creative freedom that came with it.

And Marci confesses that one of JSB’s thrillers kept her up way past her bedtime… because sleep is optional when the book is that good.

Plus, how watching old black-and-white movies can make us better writers, and Shelly gives JSB a request for his next craft book.

A smart, fun, craft-loving conversation you won’t want to miss!