Frances Kendall was born in Kenya and later moved to South Africa. She is an artist, author, and cross Africa backpacker. In 1986 in the last years of Apartheid, she wrote a book called South Africa: The Solution. A bold title for a bold theory. That South Africa should adopt the Swiss model of decentralised governance. Fast forward a few decades and Frances is not so sure The Solution is the right one. Join me on a chat of her journey from then to now, and also how to raise children who feel empowered to change the world.