KMO welcomes Bill McKibben back to the C-Realm to discuss his new novel, Radio Free Vermont: A Fable of Resistance. Vermont has been an independent nation in the past, and some people would like to see it make its own way apart from the United States in the 21st Century. Bill McKibben is not one of those people calling for a real-life Vermont succession, but he stresses that in the face of the Trump provocations we must mount some sort of resistance.