This episode dives deep into the risk score methodology of Radiflow's Ciara product. It attempts to use interview, asset inventory, and simulation to identify a risk score for a zone or site. It also then uses simulation to determine what security controls would most improve the risk score / reduce risk. Obviously this is a detailed talk on a specific vendor approach, so if that sort of thing bothers you this episode might not be for you.   We also talk about whether the visibility / detection product segment will be separate from the OT cyber risk product, and we end with a discussion of how a company the size of Radiflow competes with the Claroty/Dragos/Nozomi of the world that have raised $100M+.