This week, Dai and David are joined by Natalie, a proud Palestinian, licensed professional counselor, community organizer, entrepreneur, community advocate, a leader in the Colorado Palestine Coalition, and friend.  Natalie discusses Palestinian pride and the intersections of American patriotism, white nationalism, healing individually and collectively, liberation individually and collectively, abolition and alternatives to incarceration, student movements rooted in social justice, creating heaven on earth, colonization, managing fear and anxiety, and much much more.  We hope you find this conversation as soulful as we did!

Go check out Natalie and other Denver Palestinians in the Unseen Exhibit at RedLine Contemporary Art Center open now through May 17, 2026.

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