Theo Von interviewed Bishop Robert Barron, and one of the questions he asked was: "Did Christianity ever have a military or was that even a thing?" Bishop Barron's answer was...sparse. We get Fr. McCarthy's take on Barron's response. 

Published on September 11, 2026, on the 25th anniversary of "September 11th". 

0:00 Thoughts on September 11
8:42 Getting my hair done
9:35 Thomas Merton
15:09 "Did Christianity ever have a military or was that even a thing?"
20:48 Fr. McCarthy responds to Bishop Barron's comments

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Final thoughts on the Lindsay Clancy trial (from someone who actually watched the Lindsay Clancy trial). 

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In the first video (Episode 166), Ellen compared Joan of Arc to Lindsay Clancy and asked the question: If Joan of Arc and Lindsay Clancy each heard voices that told her to kill, why was Joan of Arc right to follow them and Lindsay Clancy was wrong? Furthermore, how do you know if you hear a voice that tells you to kill whether it is from God?

Many viewers on YouTube fiercely objected to the mere comparison, so in the next episode (167), Fr. McCarthy joined us to answer some of the common (and thoughtful) objections voiced by those who seriously took offense at the comparison. In Part I (Episode 167), we tried to remove mental barriers so that we could get back to the main question: How do you know if you hear a voice that tells you to kill whether it is from God? We address that question here in Part II, and respond to those who ventured answers to the question in the comments of the YouTube video.

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https://youtu.be/c0oN3Rd_6cE?si=PpcuJh5JogCitWnP

PART II: RESPONDING TO THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTION "How do you know if a voice is from God?"

0:00 picking up where we left off in Part 1 (Episode 167)

1:48 Answer #1: "The voice was from God because Joan said they were saints."

11:30 Answer #2: "What about the Crusades?"

18:32 "It might be a voice from God if the voice is telling you to fight a defensive war."

19:47: Literacy, Education, and the Bible

28:42 Poor Joan of Arc
----31:07 Primacy of Conscience

33:44 Poor Lindsay Clancy
----35:34 The State
----37:36 Guilt, Evil, Sin, and Accountability
----41:15 Church vs. State

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This is a follow-up to Episode 166, in which Ellen made a comparison between St. Joan of Arc and Lindsay Clancy. Some folks commented that either they couldn't listen to the episode, because the comparison struck them as too bizarre (or even outright blasphemous), or they asked Ellen to help them connect the dots. Fr. McCarthy joins us to talk through some of the objections that were voiced, in an attempt to overcome those barriers, so that we can move on to part 2, in which we will try to answer the question: If you hear a voice (whether disembodied like Lindsay Clancy and St. Joan of Arc, or embodied), how do you know whether to follow it? How do you know if it's from God? In this, Part I, we will address some of the objections to the comparison. 

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0:00 Opening Prayer & Intro
OVERCOMING BARRIERS: Part 1
4:38 "But St. Joan of Arc never killed anyone." 
--What does it mean to be a killer?
13:20 "But she wasn't told to kill people. She was told to save France."
--1983 USCCB peace pastoral: "There is no notion of a warrior God who will lead the people in historical, violent conflict against enemies in the New Testament." 
20:54 "Lindsay Clancy was told to kill innocent, defenseless children while Joan was told to kill grown men, armed for battle, who were trying to kill her."
24:48 WHY Joan couldn't question her Voices
32:02 Cautionary words from Fr. McCarthy
to be continued in Part II

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Lindsay Clancy heard a voice that told her to kill and she obeyed. Matt Walsh says she needs to be locked up in jail for the rest of her life. Joan of Arc heard voices that told her to kill and she obeyed. She's celebrated as a saint in the Catholic Church. Ellen replays a part of a previous podcast in which Fr. McCarthy talks about St. Joan of Arc, as food for thought. How can we know if a voice that tells us to kill is from God? Can it ever be from God? The outtake from Fr. McCarthy is from Episode 3.

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An overview lecture on Gospel Nonviolence from the Shantidas story that Fr. McCarthy begins with to the Maura Clark letter at the very conclusion. Shared with permission from John Dear and Fr. McCarthy. 

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Ellen points out what she sees as major flaws in the film, contrasts the film with the book, and explains what she liked about the film!

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Ellen's thoughts on what really happened at The Battle of Milvian Bridge, with help from Virgil.

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Short meditations written by Fr. McCarthy in summer 2026, sent out daily via email from July 1 - August 9, during the fast for Gospel Nonviolence. 

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On the 250th birthday of the United States, we recognize and celebrate the witness of Ben Salmon, a Catholic conscientious objector during WW1, and are excited to share with you Patrick Thompson's short film, "One Inch," that helps to tell his story. 

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