Episode 69: Camille Herron

Welcome to episode 69 of the Final Surge Podcast where we welcome world record holder Camille Herron. In 2017 Camille won Comrades set two American Records and two World Records. Camille has had an interesting journey which has been riddled by injuries and we discuss how she has overcome those and what she has learned to make herself a stronger runner. We also talk about her secret weapon in an ultra race, beer. Camille was great to talk to and I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did recording it. We are now on Spotify so please remember to subscribe to the podcast on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, wherever you consume it.     In recent weeks Camille has set a 100-mile world record 12:42:39, a 100km USA track record 7:36:39 at Desert Solstice and then went on to run for 12-hours and set a 12hr All-Surface World Record 92.708 miles. She is the new Ann Trason and arguably, she will be in for a shout as ultra-runner of the year. How did you get your start in running? Basketball player ran for first time in middle school In high school focused on running Tulsa University scholarship but a lot of injuries Became hobby runner after that What exactly did your running look like after Tulsa Hobby run Husband ran professionally  Was running long as recreational about 70 miles a week Husband started coaching How do you go from always injured to running 70 miles a week? Frank Shorter: Run for stress relief Started running slower Biomechanics and physic courses: Started feet strength/barefoot Where was your minimalist running in relation to Born To Run? 3-4 years before Very minimalist shoes from Boulder Running Company Moved to minimalist running and your husband is coaching you, where did you jump back into competitive running? Longer distances seemed to be better Focused on qualifying for Olympic Marathon Trials 2007 Marathon debut Ran 2:38 at Twin Cities and it took off When did you make the jump into ultramarathons? 2009 MarathonGuide.com sponsored Started doing back-to-back marathons Grad school, how to enhance bone recovery When you talk back-to-back marathons how often are you talking? A few weeks apart 2011 David Monti of NYC Marathon suggested ultra running 2013 made debut Underperformed in the first ultra We see injury problems from growth spurts, which you had. You also studied bone recovery. What advice would you have now for those struggling? Did too much high intensity Focus on easier aerobic volume development  Don't be afraid of mileage as much as intensity Recover with easy days easy When did you do the first ultra? 2013 2014 first Comrades but got sick and ended up in the emergency room You had done marathons, you understand the wall. So what was the first ultra like, was it like you expected or different? Was too cautious Could have pushed more What is your diet like? Meet and potatoes, wholesome southern diet Eat Taco Bell or Subway day before races  What about fueling during a race? Naturally good fat burner Diet analyzed and was 50% carbs, 36% fat, 14% protein Take in 60-90g carbs/hr Take gel every 30 mins and sip on sports drinks as needed Will have a beer or whatever body tells me to have You have a beer during a race? Helped settle stomach If tired of eating gels will have a beer We are at the end of 2017, can you walk us through what a year looks like for you as a competitive ultrarunner? Have had major highs and lows Started with some trail race in New Zeland March in a race 10 weeks before Comrades tore MCL Took a few weeks off and came back slowly walk/run Won Comrades off injury 3 weeks later Western States, fell and got a concussion Leadville ran into issues with pelvic pain Won Comrades to two DNF and being broken Tunnell Hill 100  Did at least 8 races this year, a marathoner may do 2-3 races a year. How do you recover so quickly? Family heels quickly Studied recovery in grad school Use active recovery always walking twice a day after a race I saw you earlier this month at Desert Solstice. We went to see Zach Bitter, but he was out. We saw what you were going after. After 11.5 hours of running on the track in a 1/4mile circle, you still seemed to be smiling so much. In love with running Love what you are doing Broke Ann Trasons 12-hour record which has stood since 1991? That is why I was smiling, felt great What was the hardest part of running for 12-hours on a track? Concentration, cannot zone out like on trails Hard to get into the zone How hard is it to get going again after you have to stop to use a restroom or something? It was hard because it was warm Took 18-minute break, had to start off walking before really got going again pushing You had two World Records this year, now what for an encore in 2018? Been fun to break the records Want to try for the 24-hour record Need to redeem self on trails Goal to win Western States and Comrades in same year You are very active online, where can people find you? Twitter RunCamille Instagram RunCamille Facebook RunCamille Final Surge 5 questions in under a minute Your favorite endurance/running book? - Lore of running Current trainers you are wearing? - Nike Zoom Fly Favorite race? - Comrades Favorite recovery meal or recovery drink? - Cheeseburger and Fries with Beer Your favorite workout - Long runs with heart rate progression