What's the quickest way to ruin a dinner party? Talking about death might be one, but Debra Jarvis, former chaplain with Seattle Cancer Care Alliance, TEDMED speaker, podcaster, author, and writer-in-residence at University Congregational United Church of Christ doesn't shy from talking about taboo topics. After her keynote at JADPRO Live, Debra sat down with freelance medical writer and editor, Kate MacDougall, on her journey on the Camino de Santiago, similarities she recognized between her hike and the practice of oncology, and fine-tuning attitudes and perspectives on death.