Justin and Ken kick things off by diving into the recent wave of controversy at university graduation ceremonies, focusing on student protests, administrative discipline, and the fallout from pro-Palestinian activism. Ken highlights how some universities have responded with severe penalties, while Justin points out the broader context of political pressure from the Trump administration.

Next, they discuss the Trump administration’s escalating battles with Harvard, Columbia, and other top universities, especially over international student visas and federal research funding. Justin notes the chilling effect on university recruitment and reputation, while Ken explains how the courts have quickly intervened to halt what he sees as flagrant violations of basic administrative law.

The conversation zooms out to examine the post-WWII origins of government-funded research at American universities and why those dollars are vital to national leadership in science and technology. Ken gives a primer on the policy rationale and the global “soft power” benefits, while Justin reflects on the risk of brain drain as talented researchers leave for more stable opportunities.

Wrapping up, the hosts cover the recent White House visit by South African President Cyril Ramaphosa, exploring Trump’s rhetoric around “white genocide” and the realpolitik behind the meeting. Justin observes how Ramaphosa skillfully held his ground with Trump, while Ken unpacks the interplay between Trump, Elon Musk, and domestic politics, seeing little actual policy at stake.

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