Jon Mathieu serves as the community engagement editor of the Christian Century and pastors a fresh new church called Harbor Online, which started last year. As Harbor’s full name implies, this church gathers - well - not in person, like many churches, but Thursday nights, dialogically on Zoom.  In part one of our conversation, we explore the journey and the practices behind this unique gathering today. We also hear Jon's own story about his move away from leadership in a conservative evangelical church - a departure and deconstruction that, he says, brought him closer to Jesus than ever before.