The conversation you are about to hear is centered around an anecdote from chapter 9: Assume That The Person You Are Listening To Might Know Something You Don’t from 12 Rules For Life: An Antidote For Chaos by Jordan B. Peterson. The aforementioned anecdote involves a woman from Peterson's clinical practice who was seeking help in making sense of the experiences in her life. Pat, Austin, and Logan had different understandings as to the purpose of the story Peterson shared so they share their different perspectives during this episode.