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How do we respond to much-loved works of art when the behaviour of the artist comes into question? And can we truly enjoy artworks by people who have committed crimes or been abusive to colleagues and family members?

"I have a friend who has a Rolf Harris painting... It's a really great painting, and they bought it as an investment.. And then it all came out about his past and the imprisonment and stuff, and she's like, 'Well, what do we do with it now?'"

Where do we draw the line between the art and the artist? And do we do a dis-service to the other creatives who collaborate on music and film projects by rejecting the work?

"If you think about modern celebrities... no publicity is bad publicity. Where do you draw the line? Because there would be a lot of building those brands. The behaviour is notorious... and that can make someone really exciting."

In this deep-dive discussion playwright and director Mary Swan hosts an important and often surprising inquiry into how we respond when culture and morality collide.

Mary's guests for this episode are

Mary Rose, who has performed on Broadway alongside Kristin Scott Thomas in a Royal Court production of The Seagull, as well as an acclaimed one-woman show, 12.10.15 at the Edinburgh Festival.

Mary plays artist Catherine Shaw in Proteus Theatre's stage production, Indestructible.

Paul Huntley-Thomas appears in the Disney+ Marvel mini-series Secret Invasion and the 2DF Studios feature Lost Women Spies.

Paul plays art collector Robin in Proteus Theatre's stage production, Indestructible.

Saul Jaffe is an actor, dramaturg and creative consultant. He has worked for Shakespeare's Globe and performed at the National Theatre, as well as his one-man show Merrick, The Elephant Man, which appeared in the Brits Off Broadway festival in 2009.

Saul is the dramaturg for Proteus Theatre's stage production, Indestructible.

Timestamps

1:52 The challenge of enjoying Woody Allen's movies

3:19 Re-assessing the music of Michael Jackson

4:27 Navigating the fog of cases like Johnny Depp

4:57 Pablo Picasso's relationships with women

7:03 Owning a Rolf Harris painting

9:03 Roald Dahl's language and anti-semitism

15:28 Feeding the PR machine with bad behaviour

17:37 Female artists who deserve more exposure

Credits

The podcast Indestructible is a Creative Kin production for Proteus Theatre Company.

Executive Producer & Producer: Jason Caffrey

Mixing and Mastering: Adam Double

Production Music: DEX 1200

Artwork: Y Designs

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