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Candid Conversation with Dr. Rodney Glasgow on Diversity and Equity
Today Patrina will be speaking with Dr. Rodney Glasgow, an innovative educational leader, published author, renowned keynote speaker, diversity practitioner, and current Head of School at Sandy Spring Friends School. Randy is a graduate of Harvard University, with a joint degree in Afro-American Studies and Psychology, and holds a Master of Arts in Organization and Leadership from Columbia University. Patrina and Rodney’s paths crossed as fellow cohort members in the George Washington University’s Executive Leadership Program, and they became kindred spirits as they received their doctorates in Human and Organizational Learning together.
Rodney discusses his research on African American male educators and how they navigate being non-prototypical leaders in predominantly white schools. He explains how Black men can establish shared identities with their students while still maintaining their Blackness as central to who they are, as well as the legacy of Black men finding joy in resiliency. Rodney and Patrina discuss the importance of self-care for Black leaders in particular, diversity in independent schools, and the experience of being a child now versus twenty years ago. They talk about the growing political awareness and activism of today’s youth, and how the average person can make a meaningful difference to make the world a bit more just. They end with a powerful conversation about equity, race relations, and privilege in America, and Patrina asks Rodney what being joyful means to him.
Episode Highlights:
Quotes:
“When some folks who are not as joyful meet folks who are truly joyful, there’s one of two reactions - either, how can I get some of that? Or how can I stop them from having that because I can’t have it?”
“The theory is that you find ways in which you share identities. You don’t go for the identities that separate, you go for the identities that connect… But at the same time, I felt like that can also be an assimilationist tactic.”
“I was really interested in, how do, in this case Black men, be successful in leading, and still center their Blackness, if that is the center of their identity?”
“One of the most important findings was these men saw themselves as a part of that deep legacy of Black folk and Black men who showed up regardless, showed up in spite of, showed up even though they knew it was stacked against them, because they also knew their own resiliency to break through those walls if they just persisted.”
“Part of my joy is my perseverance through hard times.”
“As people of color, we’re so ingrained into a selflessness that can also be self-defeating.”
“There is profound wisdom in the flight attendants telling you to put your own mask on first before trying to render aid and assistance to others.”
“Independent schools are powerful because disproportionately, the leaders of the world come from independent schools.”
“People had this moment of time in this country…and it was a very different time for kids. And then when the backlash hit, easily kids picked up on it and we also started to re-indoctrinate kids into the systems of oppression.”
“What is beautiful about this particular generation of kids is that in the midst of all of that, they’ve learned so much more about politics, the way government works, social activism, and political activism, no matter what their views are.”
“So equity gets us more into that point of, ‘I’m not going to give everybody the same, but I am going to give everybody what they need and at the same level of meeting that need.’”
“We really lost key elements of our identities in this notion that equality is where we should go.”
“I think that joy and peace have to go together because you can’t actually feel the experience of joy if you’re under stress, if you’re not at peace.”
“Privilege sounds joyful, but it actually is very burdensome, and it is the lack of joy.”
“Joy in action is infectious.”
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By Dr. Patrina Clark
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Today Patrina will be speaking with Dr. Rodney Glasgow, an innovative educational leader, published author, renowned keynote speaker, diversity practitioner, and current Head of School at Sandy Spring Friends School. Randy is a graduate of Harvard University, with a joint degree in Afro-American Studies and Psychology, and holds a Master of Arts in Organization and Leadership from Columbia University. Patrina and Rodney’s paths crossed as fellow cohort members in the George Washington University’s Executive Leadership Program, and they became kindred spirits as they received their doctorates in Human and Organizational Learning together.
Rodney discusses his research on African American male educators and how they navigate being non-prototypical leaders in predominantly white schools. He explains how Black men can establish shared identities with their students while still maintaining their Blackness as central to who they are, as well as the legacy of Black men finding joy in resiliency. Rodney and Patrina discuss the importance of self-care for Black leaders in particular, diversity in independent schools, and the experience of being a child now versus twenty years ago. They talk about the growing political awareness and activism of today’s youth, and how the average person can make a meaningful difference to make the world a bit more just. They end with a powerful conversation about equity, race relations, and privilege in America, and Patrina asks Rodney what being joyful means to him.
Episode Highlights:
Quotes:
“When some folks who are not as joyful meet folks who are truly joyful, there’s one of two reactions - either, how can I get some of that? Or how can I stop them from having that because I can’t have it?”
“The theory is that you find ways in which you share identities. You don’t go for the identities that separate, you go for the identities that connect… But at the same time, I felt like that can also be an assimilationist tactic.”
“I was really interested in, how do, in this case Black men, be successful in leading, and still center their Blackness, if that is the center of their identity?”
“One of the most important findings was these men saw themselves as a part of that deep legacy of Black folk and Black men who showed up regardless, showed up in spite of, showed up even though they knew it was stacked against them, because they also knew their own resiliency to break through those walls if they just persisted.”
“Part of my joy is my perseverance through hard times.”
“As people of color, we’re so ingrained into a selflessness that can also be self-defeating.”
“There is profound wisdom in the flight attendants telling you to put your own mask on first before trying to render aid and assistance to others.”
“Independent schools are powerful because disproportionately, the leaders of the world come from independent schools.”
“People had this moment of time in this country…and it was a very different time for kids. And then when the backlash hit, easily kids picked up on it and we also started to re-indoctrinate kids into the systems of oppression.”
“What is beautiful about this particular generation of kids is that in the midst of all of that, they’ve learned so much more about politics, the way government works, social activism, and political activism, no matter what their views are.”
“So equity gets us more into that point of, ‘I’m not going to give everybody the same, but I am going to give everybody what they need and at the same level of meeting that need.’”
“We really lost key elements of our identities in this notion that equality is where we should go.”
“I think that joy and peace have to go together because you can’t actually feel the experience of joy if you’re under stress, if you’re not at peace.”
“Privilege sounds joyful, but it actually is very burdensome, and it is the lack of joy.”
“Joy in action is infectious.”
Links:
Joyfully You Life homepage
Joyfully You Life Instagram
Joyfully You Life Facebook
Joyfully You Life Twitter
Joyfully You Life linktree
Rodney Glasgow homepage