Jon and Kevin explore themes of personal narrative, reality vs. perception, and the impact of trauma. They discuss the film Joker, analysing its reception and thematic elements relating to societal alienation and mental health. They further discuss the challenges of maintaining authenticity in the age of social media and AI alongside personal anecdotes and reflections on mortality and ageing. Finally, they examine the evolving nature of creative expression and the artist's relationship with their audience in a digital world.